[LASS Soaring] FWD"Are Handlaunched planes legal for LSF
THermal and X...
Edwin Wilson
ewilson1 at bellsouth.net
Thu Jun 28 21:20:05 MDT 2007
LSF home page has a rule interpretation page that use to cover H/L
planes. A guy that does his thermal task with a DLG plane or even XC
with one should be allowed to use the achievement. Throwing a plane to
get spot landings ....... NO WAY! (that has been tried) Follow the
intent of the task and make it the skill that is tested. I will always
support that.
Edwin
LSF V # 101
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> Subject:
> RE: [RCSE] Re: [RCSE] "Are Handlaunched planes legal for LSF THermal
> and XC Tasks?"
> From:
> chris at spieltek.com
> Date:
> Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:20:23 -0700
> To:
> "B. Chan" <bhchan at mail.arc.nasa.gov>
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> To:
> "B. Chan" <bhchan at mail.arc.nasa.gov>
> CC:
> Ben Wilson <ben at thelocust.org>, soaring at airage.com
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> Guys,
>
> If you really want to talk about written rules versus the intent of
> the rules, then you need to go back to when the LSF was created.
>
> First, I do not ever beleive that Thernal flights ever had "Hand
> Launch" meaninig "Hand Release" in them. At that time, no one was
> handlaunching big ships, or any sized ships, into thermals.
>
> Second, in the "Old" days ROGs from asphalt runways, or from grass
> field. the bigger, heavier planes had big issues with dragging on the
> ground, and wing flips during launch. I guess you never had a wing
> get caught under the winchline. Likewise, we did not have retrievers
> either, except for motor bikes and walkers. If you have ever ROG'ed a
> plane, then you are old enough to know.
>
> Third, I have gotten the question many times of intent. In effect a
> HLG contest cannot be used because there is no release from a
> towline. Then a DLG elimination contest of 25 people, which must get
> at least 3 rounds of flying in to officially have a contest, Might
> well be excluded from a Lvl V win. What happens in a 25 person
> contest when 5 people drop out before 3 rounds are completed? I think
> you see the point.
>
> Another question is whether a slope flight and then a spot landing
> consitutes a landing.
>
> Overall, with the whole nature of Sailplanes and events changing, I
> see that adaptability with the "INTENT" of the rules to be the guiding
> factor. If you do not want to accept these features, then those of us
> who did the tasks early on have a right to say that the newest
> achievers really did not follow the rules. I personally do not
> beleive that they are any different than what we did, and imagine how
> the tasks might have been described if they were created today.
>
> So for landing tasks, my understanding of the tasks is
> "controlability". Whether from a DLG, or from a short start, or from a
> slope, the intent is to control the plane and increase your skills in
> flyng the plane to a pre-designated spot. Just throwing the plane on a
> flat glide, out and back did not constitute a landing back then,
> however, if you keep a DLG up for three minutes and land at the spot,
> that displays controlability.
>
> Likewise for any thermal flight, or slope flight, or contest flight.
>
> People are always known to be clever or bend the rules, but it is the
> intent and the "respectability" of a pilot that count. He who cheats
> in a simple honor system, which really does nto matter, only fools
> himself.
>
> Chris Adams
>
>
> PS, as for battery, wire up 2 CR2's and they should last 5 or mor
> hours for DLG. 8 hour slope is do-able with a DLG, as are the other
> tasks.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: [RCSE] "Are Handlaunched planes legal for LSF
> THermal and XC Tasks?"
> From: "B. Chan" <bhchan at mail.arc.nasa.gov>
> Date: Thu, June 28, 2007 8:14 am
> To: Ben Wilson <ben at thelocust.org>, soaring at airage.com
>
>We used to shoot LSF I and II's landings with a short high start,
>got the plane about 50 ft and turn around and land. I think a good HL
>will get higher than that. So is there a ruling on how the plane
>should be launched?
>
>Brian
>
>At 11:06 AM -0400 6/28/07, Ben Wilson wrote:
>>Speaking of handlaunching big ships - I actually had the "is HL OK
>>for LSF" question answered last year - I handlaunched my EZ Bubble
>>Dancer into a 1-hour thermal flight at the Polecat Challenge. Just
>>to make sure I got "official" ruling that yeah, it's OK!
>>Precision landings I think are still out for HL, though...
>>
>>Chuck Anderson wrote:
>>>At 09:30 AM 6/28/2007, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Ben: Would'nt Rx battery capacity pose a problem to
>>>>do longer flights like Xc or slope??
>>>>AJ
>>>
>>>Aren't almost all slope flights hand launched? :) And I believe
>>>that Shoeless Joe wouldn't have any trouble hand launching his
>>>Supra for a 2 hour thermal flight.
>>>
>>>Chuck
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