[LASS Soaring] Really guys only 40 will be flying!

Edwin Wilson ewilson1 at bellsouth.net
Sat Dec 29 10:49:29 EST 2007


Makes me wonder. I started out with 900Mhz phones in my house. Then I 
went to 2.4Ghz and the signal was better but along came 5.8Ghz. The 
sound was much improved and the range of the phone doubled or triple 
what I had with 2.4. I also saw a  new 8.? while shopping this 
Christmas. Can we look forward to 5.8Ghz down the road? How about a 
channel between the cell phone frequencies? There are gaps in the band 
so different carriers can set them up for their own use.
Ed

Brian Kopke wrote:

> I think there is one point we are all overlooking here.  Even though 
> the 2.4GHz systems are limited to 40 "channels", this is 40 more 72MHz 
> friendly channels than we have now.  And it is not very likely the FCC 
> is going to expand the RC band any time soon.  Or ever.
>
> Now to get the 2.4 stuff to work in a full carbon fuse??.....
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2007 8:51 AM, Ryan Woebkenberg <rdwoebke at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:rdwoebke at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hey Brian,
>      
>     Do you ever make it out to the Ferdinand area much any more?  If
>     you ever do, we should try to fly sometime.
>      
>     Spektrum (currently the most popular 2.4 manufacturer) divides the
>     2.4 ghz bandwith into 80 1 mhz "channels".  The Spektrum setup
>     always grabs 2 channels and transmits on both, hence in theory
>     there can be 40 Spektrum systems working concurrently.  If the
>     41st system were to turn on or if there were other wireless
>     devices (like wireless routers) using up bandwith, then the
>     Spektrum system just "does not work" and it sort of scans waiting
>     for something to become available. 
>      
>     I really doubt there will be many times 40 systems will be on at
>     once.  The scenerio Gordy mentions of "Visalia practice day"
>     certianly could be one of them, but at a regular contest, you
>     would probably have at least 80 pilots to get into this situation,
>     since normally guys time for each other and those guys then are
>     not likely to be using their radio. 
>      
>     Ryan
>
>
>
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:55:08 -0500
>         From: bkopke at gmail.com <mailto:bkopke at gmail.com>
>         To: soaring at louisvillesoaring.org
>         <mailto:soaring at louisvillesoaring.org>
>         Subject: Re: [LASS Soaring] Really guys only 40 will be flying!
>
>
>         Where did the magic number of 40 come from.  Sorry if I
>         overlooked it in a previous post.
>
>         Brian
>
>         On Dec 26, 2007 10:39 AM, David Gruneisen <
>         david.gruneisen at gmail.com <mailto:david.gruneisen at gmail.com>>
>         wrote:
>
>             According to Spektrum (and JR) -
>
>             "In the unlikely event that all channels are occupied, the
>             next transmitter will scan the band indefinitely until
>             open channels are available. The transmitter will then
>             acquire the channel(s) and begin transmitting. Only then
>             will the system connect."
>
>             So the 10,000 TX handsets can all be on at once - only 40
>             will find and acquire 2 discrete freqs, perform the
>             necessary handshaking and actually transmit.
>
>             Let's take my office environment as an example of multiple
>             brands of 2.4 ghz existing in the same environment.  There
>             are approximately 60 devices from 4 different mfgers (IBM,
>             Dell Nortel and Linksys a ll transmitting and receiving on
>             the SAME frequency, using only packet collision detection
>             to keep the individual receivers straight.
>
>             I think JR and Futaba might do well to publish the FCC's
>             2.4g standards and their successful test completion
>             documentation to help clear up these very reasonable
>             questions about using this old technology in this new way.
>
>
>             -David G
>
>
>             On Dec 26, 2007 9:48 AM, <GordySoar at aol.com
>             <mailto:GordySoar at aol.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Okay Ryan,
>                  
>                 What keeps the other 60 to 100 guys with various
>                 brands of 2.4 in their cars and pits from being on all
>                 at once? Impound?
>                 gordy
>                  
>                 In a message dated 12/26/2007 9:31:19 A.M. Eastern
>                 Standard Time, rdwoebke at hotmail.com
>                 <mailto:rdwoebke at hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
>                     I don't know about the rest of you all but I have
>                     seen the # of concurrent systems limitations in a
>                     lot of the litareture out there on the Spektrum
>                     and the Extreme.
>                      
>                     The way Spektrum works is if it can't grab the 2
>                     channels to opparate the receiver simply won't
>                     start "working".  So, assuming we are all being
>                     good about doing our "wiggle checks" and if we are
>                     doing a good job of checking our "blinkies" as
>                     suggested by Don Richmond, should not be an issue
>                     there. 
>                      
>                     http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/FAQ.aspx
>
>                     So far as our soaring goes, I think it is unlikely
>                     we will exceed the 40 "channels" at a soaring
>                     event.  Take the Nats for example, there might be
>                     pilot groups of 10, so perhaps there could be 10
>                     guys turned on and waiting at the winch staging
>                     area, 10 guys launching and 10 guys in the air
>                     soon landing, but that still leaves 10 channels
>                     and perhaps a few guys "in the pits" might have
>                     radios on fiddling with trims/etc, but worst case
>                     one of the 10 guys that is turning on at the
>                     staging area just lets the "round master" know he
>                     can't get a free channel.  
>                      
>                     Hope you all had a good Christmas.  I got some
>                     servos to help complete Psyko #2. 
>                      
>                     Ryan
>
>
>                      
>
>                         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                         From: GordySoar at aol.com <mailto:GordySoar at aol.com>
>                          
>                         Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the
>                         general modeler believed that with 2.4 all
>                         concerns for freq control were
>                         over....Millions could all be on at
>                         once...there was the story about the huge heli
>                         event with hundreds of attendees most enjoying
>                         the freedom of 2.4....hmmmn.
>                          
>                         Did you all believe that the amount of 2.4 TXs
>                         on at once was almost unlimited?
>                          
>
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